Vivian Lee, The Strange Crash of Ukrainian Flight #752 in Iran

Vivian Lee

On the morning of January 8, 2020, a Boeing 737 crashed and left debris scattered over a wide area just minutes after takeoff from the Imam Khomeini International Airport in Tehran. The Ukrainian International Airlines jet was en route to Kyiv, scheduled to land at Boryspil International Airport at 8 am local time. “Amateur” videos posted on social media led to the suspicion that the plane had been brought down by a missile over the city of Parand.

The first video, posted on Instagram by The Rich Kids of Tehran, was taken by someone who just happened to be shooting up at the totally dark sky at the very moment the plane appeared and was apparently hit by something, resulting in its crash in a flaming fireball when it hit the ground. This recalls the luck of the Naudet brothers on 9/11. The New York Times obtained a high-resolution copy of the Rich Kids video and “verified” it, whatever that means.

A second video was posted, filmed from a car that was driving in the direction of the crash. A third video showed the plane flying in from the right, proceeding on a downward trajectory, and exploding in a huge fireball upon impact:

A CCTV video turned up, reportedly showing the last moments of the jet, or what remained of it, exploding in a passageway between two walls, raining burning debris and leaving small fires on the ground. Other videos of small fires circulated in the media, suggesting widespread burning and destruction.

There were 176 people on board flight #752 according to Wikipedia, including 9 Ukrainian crew members and two additional Ukrainians. The other passengers included, by nationality, citizens of Iran (82), Canada (63), Sweden (10), Afghanistan (7), and Great Britain (3). According to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who was outraged by the situation, 138 of the 167 passengers were traveling to Canada. At least one Canadian passport was recovered, miraculously, and it seems likely that there are others. Just like the passports of four of the alleged hijackers on 9/11.

Canadian Passport. Image: Office of the President of Ukraine.

One does wonder why 138 people would travel from Tehran to Canada via Kyiv, but that is only one of many questions associated with this crash. Stranger still are the memorial programs for the Canadian victims that showed up in the media ON THE SAME DAY as the crash. Two that appeared immediately were produced by the CBC and the Vancouver Sun.

The CBC video, “Flight 752: A Canadian Tragedy,” is 45 minutes long and includes extensive reporting, dramatic commentary, and footage of the crash site, as well as the “stories” of the victims, with their full names, biographical information, candid shots, and professional black-and-white photos. The post is now dated January 9, but it was up on January 8. Even considering the time difference between Canada and Iran, it must have taken a cast of thousands working feverishly to compile the information and images and produce the programs so quickly. Unless they had advance notice.

Curiously, relatives and friends of the victims appear in the memorials, some looking barely distressed and even smiling, speaking to reporters ON THE SAME DAY their loved ones died, instead of choosing to grieve in private. One thinks of the cheerful interview of Chris and Lynn McDonnell by Anderson Cooper right after their daughter Grace was supposedly killed at Sandy Hook Elementary by Adam Lanza.

The crash site is also problematic. Debris is strewn over a wide area, with little of it burned. Very few parts of the plane are visible in the news footage, although most of it should have been recovered. The Boeing 737-800 has between 162 and 189 seats, but not a single airplane seat is seen in the footage.


A few pieces of luggage show up, but nowhere near the amount there should be, and papers, water bottles, photo albums, and children’s books survived. And we do have shoes, lots of single shoes – the hallmark of hoax events worldwide.

Pieces of debris look dropped at the site, and where they are close to a wall, the wall is not damaged.


The tail usually survives in a plane crash, but only the tip shows up here, and it looks like it was set down carefully in a tilled field, with the rows undamaged by any kind of impact.


The theory that the plane was shot down by a missile (or two missiles), which supposedly exploded before actually hitting it, is said to be substantiated by a missile part found at the crash site. This is allegedly a piece of a Tor-M1 missile, found in the yard of a home in the city of Parand, although this is unverified.

Photo of a Tor-M1 missile part that was posted on Twitter. Image: New York Post.

It seems that a missile may have been involved, although not to shoot down the airplane. This was discovered by Jeffersonian Girl who has posted several videos on the crash at 153news.net. She is an expert on jet fuel and a designer of fuel farms for airports. The Boeing 737-800 uses Jet A fuel, WHICH DOES NOT EXPLODE. The plane would have broken apart on impact, and fires may have resulted, although the high flashpoint of jet fuel reduces the potential for a post-crash fire. But the plane would not have exploded in a massive fireball.

One of the “amateur” videos, the “third video” posted above, allegedly shows the plane coming in from the right on a straight downward trajectory, hitting the ground in an exploding burst of light. If this video is real, it actually shows a missile and not a Boeing 737. The CCTV video, if real, further indicates that a missile hit the ground and not flight #752. This is all made clear in Jeffersonian Girl’s informative presentation.

None of the “amateur” videos can be assumed to be authentic, just as the stories in the media cannot be trusted. Taken together, however, the evidence points not to a plane crash but to a fake event, perhaps involving a missile, with loads of debris trucked in and deposited for the cameras.

This is further indicated by the lack of a proper investigation of the crash site and the hasty clean-up, which has been blamed on Iran. What about all those people walking around the area and gathering things up, and what about all the body bags? News footage shows many of these bags being carried away from the scene and, in a few cases, being filled with items picked up off the ground. Some of these people are not even in uniform, while others are from the Iranian Red Crescent, an NGO under the aegis of the International Red Cross. As with other deep-state events, local officials are involved, and the cover-up is part of the operation.

Body bags at the site of the crash of flight #752, filled with junk from the debris field. Image: New York Times.

Officials in the U.S., Canada, and elsewhere suggested that the Iranians had shot down the plane, although they conceded that it may have been accidental. Iran said that this was “a big lie,” “psychological warfare,” and “scientifically impossible.” After holding out for three days, however, the Iranians knuckled under and took responsibility, admitting that they had shot down the jet by accident. Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif apologized in a tweet.
The admission gave rise to protests against the government, with shouts of “Khamenei is a murderer!” as reported by The New York Times. On January 13, The Times was reporting that “at least several people had been shot in the back by security forces, according to witnesses and videos.” Since one cannot believe anything that appears in The Times, it is unclear if this is true. But it further demonizes Iran, and it makes a good story.

So Iran has allegedly shot down a plane full of civilians, killing 176, and is murdering its own people in the streets. And all this stemmed from Trump’s drone strike on Qasem Soleimani on January 3, according to the media. The neocons are pleased, with Iran diminished and on the defensive, with Soleimani dead, and with Trump cast as the culprit. But was Trump really the main instigator?


In a two-page spread on Sunday, January 12, The Times published a story claiming that he was indeed at fault: “Seven Days in January: How Trump Pushed U.S. and Iran to the Brink of War.” This is an amusing title, referring to “Seven Days in May,” a 1964 film (based on a 1962 book) about a planned takeover of the U.S. government by a military/political cabal displeased with the fictional President’s disarmament treaty with the U.S.S.R. – that is, with the President’s wish to avoid war and commit to disarmament instead.

That is pretty much what is happening now, with Trump wanting to end the endless wars, and the neocons and their sponsors – Israel chief among them – hoping to keep the wars going and finish up by attacking Iran. The list of authors of “Seven Days in January” reads like a Who’s Who of CIA journalists:


One should remember that Soleimani has been in the sights of Israel and its operatives for years. He was instrumental in Iran’s support for Hezbollah in 2006, and he reportedly worked with Hezbollah in 2010 to strike at Israel. In 2015, Barack Obama allegedly warned Soleimani about an assassination plot by Israel, although by 2018, Israel was supposedly given “the green light” by U.S. officials. Benjamin Netanyahu has campaigned tirelessly for war against Iran, on the pretext that it is developing nuclear weapons.

Netanyahu at the UN in 2012, telling the General Assembly that Iran was close to building a nuclear bomb.

Although Netanyahu has distanced himself from the assassination of Soleimani, calling it “an American event,” Israeli sources are reporting that “the Jewish state was involved in the January 3 operation, handing the Americans key intelligence details.” The Times reports that Mike Pompeo briefed Netanyahu in advance about the plan to kill Soleimani, and that he was the only non-U.S. leader who knew about it beforehand. Some have speculated that the assassination was carried out by the CIA and Mossad. Did Trump really give the order?

This brings us back to the crash of flight #752. If this was a staged event and not a real plane crash, which is all but certain, who was capable of carrying out such a huge operation – and who benefits? According to the media, we are now very close to a war with Iran. General Hossein Salami, commander-in-chief of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, apologized for the downing of the jet but added, “We are at war with the United States. We do not consider the conflict over.” The U.S. does not benefit from a war with Iran – nor does Trump, as this would only alienate his supporters and add to his current problems. His defeat in 2020 is already being predicted by the media, due to the situation in Iran.

But one country does benefit from the assassination of Soleimani and the staged plane crash, and that is Israel. While one might think that the crash of a Boeing 737 and the deaths of 176 passengers would be impossible to fake, one should remember the attacks of 9/11. Four passenger planes were said to have crashed into WTC 1 and 2, the Pentagon, and the ground at Shanksville, killing the crews and passengers – although none of this actually happened. The false-flag attacks of 9/11 were engineered by Israel and its accomplices, including many traitors in the U.S. government. Like those attacks, the crash of flight #752 was an orchestrated event on a grand scale, involving an airplane and killing no passengers – calculated to keep America fighting for the Zionist Project.

So what induced the Iranians to take responsibility for downing the Ukrainian jet, when they knew the crash was “scientifically impossible”? As the media saying goes, the situation is still developing.

Vivian Lee is the nom-de-plume of a tenured professor at an east coast university.

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44 thoughts on “Vivian Lee, The Strange Crash of Ukrainian Flight #752 in Iran”

  1. “No Agenda” website has been saying distractions, also Trump and Iran leader wanted the military guy dead as a distrction for Trump/Netanyahu, and get rid of competition for Iran’s leader. Who knows?
    Maybe because that military guy was “fair dinkum” about things , like stopping evil? He wouldn’t play ball?

  2. It does look like 911. The camera people on the spot, the passport in the rubble, the media report was so detailed and quick, (more plane parts than 911). Why did they do it? At least a distraction from Trump and Netanyahu’s legal proceedings?

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  4. Once again, Vivian Lee demonstrates her sharp eye for discrepancy in official stories.
    In this comprehensive summary she exposes the many questions still in need of answers. Well done.

    (Most implausible development: the 45 minute Canadian Broadcast Service program included above that was posted the same day as the crash!)

  5. From Stone…..(who can disagree?)
    Message to Iran: You are alive. EAT THE DOWNED JET, don’t beg for more
    IRAN HAS ANNOUNCED THE U.S. DOWNED THE UKRAINE JET
    That’s a mistake, Israel did it.
    Via cyber attack. JUST. LIKE. I. SAID. I am not even going to look at whatever their conclusions were, because I know what happened. And the guy who got the video the media posted is obviously complicit, Iran is right about that.

    The Jewish community is in overdrive trolling anyone who says the Jews did it. Here is an example from Infowars:

    This post: “The root of all sorrows goes back to America” He’s got a point. But he’s wrong. The root of all sorrows goes back to letting Jews have such influence in our foreign policy and America enthralled to the Zionist Yinon plan in the middle east.

    That post triggered an absolute wall of posts like this:

    Hahahaha!!! Okay, are you still doing that little dance as you type? I’m sure the only Iranian to have his head lifted is the dumb SOB who didn’t think up this excuse sooner. Hahahaha!!! Hey, some milk in my refrigerator turned , sour, was that the Jews too? And that traffic light on the way to work took extra long this morning, is that the Jews too? And my satellite TV stopped working for a couple of minutes last night, is that the Jews too? And my shirts came back from the cleaners and they put starch in the collar, is that the Jews too? And the…. I hope you paranoia is eating your guts alive, it’s obviously feasted on your brain. Hahahaha!!! if you blame the Jews for it, it’s gotta be horsesht. hahaha!!!!! And the automatic doors at the grocery store stopped working yesterday, was that the Jews too? And my cell phone battery keeps running out of power, is that the Jews too? Curious how all the Iranians have to do is say something and you clowns 1. believe it above all else, and 2 you blame whatever is handy on the Jews. Naaah, you guys ain’t Iranian, no way, huh uh!
    Hahahaha!!!
    Hate to say it, but when a WALL OF COMMENTS like THAT follows that is so thick no one else can get in, someone’s doing what they think is damage control when anyone with an ounce of awareness has a chance of seeing through it, anyone with a pound of awareness definitely will. The vehement and plentiful responses to a comment that did not even say Israel caused the plane to be shot down – it just mentioned an underlying problem – proves someone has something to hide, and the Jews then pulled the “tinfoil hat” out to belittle people.

    MESSAGE: THAT RUSE IS WEARING THIN. You don’t tap dance on something that vehimently if you have nothing to hide.

    Too many people know the Jews are the ones behind practically everything for such comments to work anymore, after all, if they own the medical system and shortly after that you’re paying $1200 a month into it even if you don’t use it there’s a problem. If when they own it the vaccines are sabotaged (lots on this lately that will come to nothing, they’ve been busted repeatedly, repeatedly, and repeatedly even by the UN but you can’t drain that swamp) – well, then it does start to look like they could even jam the doors at a super market. I am convinced that every last societal ill of significance, from transvestite story hour, to chemicals in the food, to hacked communications, to censorship, to a scamming MSM they wholly own, to (you name it) is done by them, if it is serving to destroy Western civilization it is them doing it. What am I supposed to say after a Jewish Bernie staffer said conservatives need to be put in soviet style gulags, just for being conservative? The remaining conservatives are all that is left of the root of Western civilization. Throw it in a gulag. That sure as * did not make them look innocent.

    1. Did you notice how Vivian Lee credits Jeffersonian Girl with discovering information that Lee then uses in her article? Stone never credits anyone, which is why he is accused of plagiarism.

      1. 2nd attempt to post this…I just hate to surrender to computer glitches.
        Anyhow, I found a site that checks for plagiarism. I cannot ascribe to the accuracy, but I copy and pasted the above post and all it stated was that one sentence was ‘plagiarized’….and that particular exposure is quite accurate.
        Personally, I do not have the time, energy or inclination to check his entire site for plagiarism, but here’s the link if there is something of particular urgency that would require vetting or any of his words you wish to expose as ‘not his’. …have at it….

        https://smallseotools.com/plagiarism-checker/

        1. This is a recent post from Stone regarding holding ‘paper gold’….more than interesting for those of us investing in such:

          ONCE AGAIN WARNING: PAPER GOLD IS NOT REAL
          I have mentioned this a couple times over the years, and something BIG just happened on this topic – a German man who had 299 ounces of paper gold tried to cash it in for real gold, and the company he bought it at did not have it on hand
          So let me entertain you with how the scam works, and how gold prices have been kept low:
          Jacob decides to open a gold trading business selling paper gold. Daddy Jacob Senior happens to have about 500 million he can loan Junior. Junior then sets up a corporation which is a person under the law just like you and me. That “person” and not Junior, will take the rap when Junior pulls out and robs everyone. I know, that should not be legal but it is. It’s how the modern scam is run. Anyway –

          Jacob decides to name his newly created “person” Equity Asset Group, and actually does have daddy’s money (at first) to back it up. He gets some physical gold on hand for audits, (lots of it) and it all looks legit. He then puts the gold on the market, and advertises “Buy gold from Equity Asset Group” and we’ll even store it for you, so you don’t need to worry about security and having it be stolen. Then Clyde, who’s getting old, sells the farm and buys gold from “Equity Asset Group” and is happy, because he knows his gold is safe if his apartment gets robbed.

          200, 000 people just like Clyde “buy gold”, SO MUCH gold that in total, they put 2.5 billion into the kitty, which is only backed by $500 million in gold. Jacob Junior then buys a couple jets with the excess 2 billion and funds Planned Parenthood and others because that will keep him safe during audit time in this satanic system, and throws a little more into parties and paying back daddy the original 500 million and perhaps even sets up a few foundations so he can do a little laundering and play the Soros gig.

          Everything’s sailing along just fine, so he decides to “sell more gold” and leverages that original $500 million’s worth to 10 X instead of 5 X. He MILKS IT GOOD, repeatedly, until it is out 20 or 30X. It all works fine, because Clyde and the rest of them are happy their “gold is safe somewhere” and Jacob Junior did have enough to answer the occasional request for it. But when taken, he never put anything back. Now he’s got $190 million worth of gold but so what, it’s working and he’s floating in BILLIONS.

          Then, someone calls out the last batch of gold like this guy in Germany did, and it can’t be delivered. Jacob then declares the “person” he set up to front it all as the culprit, people sue that “person” – Equity Asset Group – get nothing, and Jacob walks free, having robbed that person blind. Now he’s got a few billion left over to start the process all over again and invents an entirely new person out of thin air to take the rap.

          The above is a bit simplistic, but it outlines the situation PERFECTLY.
          Right now, the gold markets are leveraged at least 10:1 against actual gold available, there’s not a chance they can pay it all out. That means they stole 90 percent of people’s money based on a fiction of “value” and an illusion that something was actually there to cover it. This can’t possibly end well, if you have paper gold you had damn well better cash it out for real gold – one little bit at a time – because the vast majority of the people who got suckered into it are going to get screwed. BE THE FIRST IN LINE BY ACTING NOW. Do not let the guy holding the short stick be you!

          I just checked that and it seems to be 100% unique.

        2. I think you should have at it, as you are the one constantly re-posting him.

          Many attempts to vet Stone have been made in other articles, two of which I have referred to you, but you have ignored them.

          The general consensus is that Stone in not credible. Please address the issues brought up by these authors if you want Stone to be taken seriously.

          Also, I don’t think you have a complete understanding of plagiarism; for example, it can include concepts. It’s more than just copying sentences word for word.

          1. Actually, Toni, that’s not right. There are no copyrights on ideas, thoughts or theories. Concepts cannot be subject to legal control. It is their literal, exact, word-for-word presentation of ideas, thoughts or theories subject to copyright.

          2. Thank you for that legal explanation, Dr. Fetzer. However, I am concerned with the concept of academic and journalistic honesty, as explained here:

            “Plagiarism can be defined as copying the work of others (concepts, words, thoughts, sentences, and so on), using them as your own without crediting the author or citing the source. To explain it in a simplifying way, plagiarism is stealing and lying.”

            https://www.studymode.com/subjects/explain-the-concept-of-academic-honesty-and-how-to-advoid-plagiarism-page1.html

          3. Toni…If concepts could be copyrighted, we would still be rubbing stones together for fire. Now, there may be specific concepts in which the essence of the concept is so intricate, detailed and absolutely one-of-a-kind that could get a copyright. BUT, common ideas that are just floating out there in the aether are pretty much for anyone to grab, enhance or just pass on.

          4. Wiil, do yourself a favor. Read the criticism of Jim Stone and grapple with the actual facts. I’d like to know if you would still consider him credible.

          5. I have no legal expertise, but the key word in that definition is “copying”….NOT using, extrapolating upon or interpreting.

          6. Having had ideas of my own appropriated by others (who received vast praise without citing their source), I agree that there are standards of academic honesty that are often violated but which do not also qualify as copyright infringements.

          7. This is a copy of the first time I posted links to criticism of Stone for you:

            “Will, thanks, but I don’t think you’re familiar with the depth of the criticism against Jim Stone from within the truth research community itself. Your last reply is your personal speculation dependent upon Stone’s own statements, which are the point of contention here.

            Here are a couple of links that background the arguments against Stone:

            https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/http-fellowshipoftheminds-com-2017-12-27-independent-investigative-journalist-jim-stone-is-a-fraud-not-former-nsa-no-insider-knowledge

            https://www.henrymakow.com/2017/11/who-is-jim-stone.html

            ………….
            https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/01/scott-ritter-iran-holds-all-the-cards-in-coming-middle-east-conflict-with-us-unless-trump-is-ready-to-drop-a-tactical-nuke/#comment-51108

          8. Well, Ton i…there’s some interesting info (true or not, I do not know) in those links….but nothing that will keep me from reading his site and posting info on this blog….any reader can accept or reject or even choose not to read what’s posted.
            If he’s a total fraud, a plagiarist and an impostor with nothing to add to the truth movement, I will leave it to Dr. Fetzer’s moderation skills and discretion to accept or reject what I post from his site.

          9. I might add that much of that expose’ depends upon Stone actually being James Heikkila. But I have yet to see solid evidence he is actually Heikkila….maybe you can provide that information.

          10. If I may, another addition…things just keep turning up as I re-read that article…the following links go no where: (The WayBack machine says it does not recognize the URLs.

            StoneBound.com,
            Jim Stone: Freelance Photographer
            “Budget Camera Review’.

          1. Flatter myself? What the heck are you talking about? it was a legitimate question because the answer is in the link you provide. They took responsibility because it was their error. It’s what honorable nations do…not like the US, INC. Now, who knows the technical reason they shot it down….could be the transponders were turned off remotely, could be the back up systems did not function properly..who knows as yet. The most recent report is they are blaming a US cyber attack. …which actually means an israeli cyber attack…it’s what they do better than anyone.
            No one I know is questioning they shot it down…..including Iran….the question is why. And as far as I can tell, nothing else makes sense except a cyber hacking to make it look like a missile.
            SO, here is the exact quote from the article to which you link as to WHY I legitimately asked if it was a rhetorical question:

            ((By Iran’s acceptance of responsibility, it shuts off the propaganda narrative before it gets started. Whether they actually did it or not, by taking responsibility, it becomes moot and the subject is closed. A smart move.))

          2. Agreed. I suspect that the Israelis took remote control of the Ukrainian plane, shut off its transponder and lights to make it look (on radar) as though it were a cruise missile. Keep up the great posts! You are spot on.

  6. My last comment I tired to post, it vanished into the void again. Weird. Yeah, as soon as I heard about this… I figured Israel was behind it. It’s amazing how many people think Israel is our loyal ally and an aggrieved victim of Palenstinian violence. The Holocaust narrative serves them well… it carved out a special victim class for them. That their suffering is some how worse than the American Indian genocide and that of the Russians, the Chinese, Cambodians. Have you ever heard of or read a positive story on the Palestinians or the Iranians? It just not allowed

  7. I have had friends in almost all branches of our corrupt military. Here is the story one related to me which happened when he was stationed in Germany. He was a low level member. A Sergeant took him over near a few railroad freight cars. He pointed to them: “Get rid of them and don’t tell me what you did with it”. He meant get rid of everything inside them, not the cars themselves. So the first thing they do is look for a body of water, lake or ocean to dump them into. The corrupt Military is destroying our planet. It must be shut down. This is an emergency. It must be brought home and disbanded entirely before the planet becomes so poisoned no human or animal life or plant life can survive. Everyone rises to their level of incompetence. Our corrupt government is a perfect example; everyone is totally corrupt. The inmates have taken over the asylum in America today. It may be too late now.

    1. So many of us think it may be too late…including myself at times. The ‘surrender’ is palpable in many with whom I speak. My best buddy refuses to engage any longer because he says if it’s not happening on my 5 acres, I don’t give a damn. That’s what he says, but not what he means. What he means is he’s frustrated….no one cares……and the fight is futile.
      I get the frustration. Honestly, I do.
      But this is just when we should make a real move. This is the exact time NOT to surrender.
      Maybe we can bring some intellects together at some “Peoples Forum” to present and kick around solutions….real solutions…real ideas that are doable and will get results.

  8. I highly agree with the writer about her assessment,but add that this was the handywork of the alphabet agencies who have been working hard to continue the Anglo Saxon rule of The world. Wow.. If Carroll Quigley or Anthony Sutton was alive today.

    1. SS…So you were there when it came down and obviously have your reasons for knowing the official story was poppycock. I was there when it went up and know the way that building was constructed….so….the moment I saw that 2nd “plane” melt into the tower as if it was not any impedance to that flying aluminum can with a nose cone that a seagull could destroy…..I also knew it was bullcrap.

    1. AND, they can also NOT disappear (including TITANIUM engines)…nor can they penetrate huge steel girders and come out the other side with nothing identifiable crashing to the ground below……nor can jet fuel turn steel and concrete to dust.
      It’s all a farce and a Wile E. Coyote/ Road Runner cartoon!

      1. I highly agree with you Will. And sadly because of the continuous dumbing down of the American and world education system every one believes in fairy tales and cartoons. Anyone with a basic understanding of elementary chemistry and physics would question how do a aluminum structured airplane with diesel fuel destroy a concrete and steel frame building and turn it to dust and create a molten steel pool at the base of both building.
        I saw it with my own eyes living in Harlem and attending classes at Colombia University,and ended up volunteering for the Red Cross at ground zero. Some of the aid workers i met were exchange medical students and they weren’t buying the garbage either.

        1. SS…So you were there when it came down and obviously have your reasons for knowing the official story was poppycock. I was there when it went up and know the way that building was constructed….so….the moment I saw that 2nd “plane” melt into the tower as if it was not any impedance to that flying aluminum can with a nose cone that a seagull could destroy…..I also knew it was bullcrap.

          1. I have no idea why that posted twice…but will leave it at that.
            Anyway, did you notice the size of that supposed impact crater? It may have been the size of a missile, but sure as hell was smaller than the planes nose. Hey…who’s the tech guy or script writer….they need some lessons.

      2. Many years ago a 3 letter government agent tried to tell me that there were no plane debris in the Shanksville, PA 911 crash because the plane, as his words were “basically vaporized”….I had to laugh.

        One of the famous fake videos of 911 shows a plane going into one of the Towers …it just totally disappears, as if the Tower was made of whipped cream. I would venture to say that 99% of the US adult population merely accepted it as fact. The metal skin of a modern jet plane is about as thick as a Dime.

        SaltySailor mentions dumb Americans, and others. I would say that most Americans would be lucky to barely pass a test of common knowledge of about 100+ years ago.

        1. They would fail common sense and logic for damn sure.
          I have a friend who’s a professor of psychology with a PHD…yet, he cannot read a measuring tape nor does he know there are 2000 pounds in a ton… of course, he also believes the government would NEVER lie to its citizens.

          1. In my company I used to hire boys of high school grad. age. I hand them a ruler and ask them to show me 1/16 inch. All of the shop-class educated boys knew but the others usually did not.

  9. That’s a very perceptive report. Many of the false flag signs are present. If a system works, may as well keep using it since the vast majority of the populace is in a trance, eh? But, to what end?
    All that makes sense is to get the Iranian people angry enough to rebel against the regime for making such an horrendous blunder. There may be another reason, but right now, I cannot see it.
    Israel’s signature is all over this, so it looks like they got away with another one…….and it’s not over yet.
    All events of this nature serve several purposes. The regime is weakened…..maybe. Now we have a real reason for Trump’s impeachment. And another group of crisis actors made some huge salaries.
    Then again, why help out Trump’s impeachment when he’s obviously the greatest gift to Zionism since the Protocols?
    Stay tuned for Act III

    1. Will, your comment is insightful and I agree with it – mostly.

      Here’s where I could debate you.

      “Now we have a real reason for Trump’s impeachment.”

      Many theories will come out in full force right now and some will be deliberately put out by the perpetrators.

      One theory would be that Trump is a total captive in all of this and every action he has ostensibly taken, and even his every tweet, could be done under life threatening duress and force.

      A First Amendment place with a more sophisticated forum type of software would be the best place to discuss this bombshell report.

      1. Dachsie…We are at a point of such a degree of deception via a total takeover of the MSM AND the alternative media, I have little idea what to accept as reality. You can believe it’s been orchestrated that way…..to get us all to a place of such confusion that we throw up our hands in utter disgust and walk away or we find ourselves open to any theory in an attempt to find something that makes sense…is logical. I recently posted an article from ZH that says the taxpayers in 20 states are now paying for those who wish to transgender. A normal society does not behave in such an insane manner.
        If we are to believe or even consider the idea that Trump…or any other executive, for that matter…is totally under the boot of blackmail, drugs or whatever else, why even put any effort in a system that is so totally beyond any redemption.
        Many here believe storming the Bastille is bad idea. My response is what else do we have left?
        As far as ” a more sophisticated forum” goes……I don’t see what could be said there would be any different in content than what can be shared here. As far as I know, I have never been censored. I would agree with an edit function and a comment and reply section that flowed a bit better….similar to ICH…or even ZH .
        I always appreciate the intelligence of your replies and perception and your spiritual nature.

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